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Hardbelt



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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 11:30 pm    Post subject: This is England Reply with quote

I have just seen the film "This is England" at the cinema. It is set in the North of England in the 1980s and contains a caning scene. Now all right you don't actually get to see the caning, :( only you are with the second lad outside the room listening to the sound of six of the best being delivered and the cries of anguish from the bully being thrashed. :) He emerges rubbing his arse and the second lad goes in and you expect to follow him to see him getting his reward for standing up to the bully. (another six of the best)! But it cuts out there and it is never mentioned again. What a waste! :(

The film itself is not very uplifting but a reminder of how awful the 80s were. Some nice skinhead/bootboys though. I just wish they had all gone to the Isle of Man 10 years earlier! :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did wondered with CP now banned for many years if some younger movie viewers worked out what was going on as the film does cut without the caning being mentioned from the lads being marched off to a shot of the lad waiting as you hear the strokes which arent the clearest and the lad taking the cane making a lot of noise from the first whack.

As Hardbelt says its not a uplifting film but its been some time since cp has featured in a film and as the film is national lottery funded its good to see my ticket money hasnt been totally wasted!

Interesting that the headmaster had a padded bench for the lads to sit on as they awaited being called in, we only ever lined up against wall at my school. He also caned the two lads separately, the normal rule at my school seemed to be if you did the crime together (e.g. fighting) you both got called in, had a verbal rollocking and then caned one after another. I only once got done for fighting and thankfully the headmaster only gave us four strokes each rather than the six strokes the lad gets in the film.
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Hardbelt



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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds interesting. How did he cane you? What did you bend over and what type of cane was used? You or the other lad first? Any record taken? What feelings did you have towards the other boy you had been fighting with, did you enjoy seeing him caned? Any tears or were you both tough lads? Sorry I am just curious!

You are right there are few films that depict cp these days, or even a ritualistic torture scene. Can anyone think of recent films or TV which have such scenes. I can only think of the scene in Hustler with Marc Warren and the torture scene from Casino Royal. As you say, young lads will not know what it is all about! A shame we did not see any of the action but the sound of the thwacking off stage was quite good I thought!

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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hardbelt wrote:
That sounds interesting. How did he cane you? What did you bend over and what type of cane was used? You or the other lad first? Any record taken? What feelings did you have towards the other boy you had been fighting with, did you enjoy seeing him caned? Any tears or were you both tough lads? Sorry I am just curious!
Hardbelt


While the Headmaster caned us for fighting and presumably put that down in the book as our offence  we had just been having a knock about rather than an actual fight as per the film or due to any animosity between us. Stupidly we started the scrap by the side of the main administration block and we had the bad luck to be caught by Mr “standards lads” Roscoe so we didn't get much chance to try and explain otherwise. It was a short march to the Headmasters study and then waiting a few minutes while Mr Roscoe told him. We then both got called in and told to stand in front of the desk and got a lecture about letting down ourselves, the school, what sort of behaviour was this for 3rd formers to show etc. I think most forum members know the standard rollicking speeches! (if not listen to the British Discipline School clips featuring Chris as the Teacher/Headmaster he has a frightening realistic and evocative touch to his verbal directives before whacking a lad).

After the telling off he informed us that he was going to cane us for fighting he moved round his desk and placed a standard dining type chair which was against the wall in front on the desk its front up against the desk  with the wooden back facing outwards. He then instructed Peter (the other lad) to bend over over the chair his hands holding the seat sides. It was the summer term so we did not have blazers. He went to a cupboard behind his desk to get the cane and I remember seeing it had a curved handle and looked just like the one Teacher had in the bash Street Kids in the Beano comic but it didn't look funny any more. I think he said something like “for fighting take four” and then after a lining up the cane against Peter gave him four strokes.

While interesting to look back on at the time I was terrified and seeing Peter who was a sturdy guy react to the strokes was pretty unsettling. After Peter stood up I was called over and got my four, I had taken a several slipperings at the school but this was my first caning and like most people did not expect the build up of pain and heat, but I don't remember actually crying at the end. As I stood up and resumed my place he put the chair back and put the cane away before sitting back and asking for our form numbers for the book which he finished filling in and then got Mr Roscoe to sign as witness before we were dismissed with the standard I hope I don't have to deal with you lads again remark.

Thankfully there was about twenty minutes of lunch left to help compose ourselves and for once I was grateful than the double woodwork lesson would mean I could stand up all afternoon.
Writing this I do find it strange I never thought it was unjust, I think we took on that we had broken the rules if not in the full sense of them. We took on board that things weren't always even and that made the times when you did get away with something even sweeter. Overall my abiding memory has always been the shock of being called in by the headmaster who was fairly remote and who I hadn't spoken to before and the speed of it from leaving the dinner hall to messing around to getting the rollicking, caning and being dismissed could hardly have been over ten minutes. Such was the speed of justice in those days.

Postscript to this was a couple of months later we were walking between blocks in a break when a mate suddenly jumped me and had me in a headlock, terrified that if I thumped him to let go a teacher may think we were fighting and that would mean another caning which was still very much impressed in my memory I tried to get him to let go but without starting a scrap. From what I remember this involved me waving my arms and saying get off and let go (although not too loudly in case a teacher heard) When he did I looked up to see my mates looking at me as if I had had a complete head fit. The ribbing and abuse I got afterwards for acting as they said “like a big girl waving” (sorry I known its non-pc but in the seventies being called a girl was one of the biggest insults a lad could get) that it may have been better to have hit him and risked a caning which would have been all over and clear in a few days rather than to have faced the mickey taking which seemed to go on and amuse them for weeks!
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Hardbelt



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for giving us an idea of the atmosphere of the occassion. Punishment is about so much more than the pain. The fear and dread. And if the other guy goes first, you get to know what is coming! Many thanks.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I downloaded the film, This is England, and the caning does sound very real even though you dont see it. And the headmaster didn't stick to just six.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just an update on this film I have just purchased the DVD and in the deleted scenes there is that scene as the bully emerges from the heads office and walks off rubbing his arse the young lad is called in to see the Headmaster who gives gives him a pep talk as he had recently lost his father in the falklands war and says he expects better behavior next year he is then allowed to go without getting caned. justice prevailed I am glad to see we wouldnt have wanted him whacked as he was provoked. I am not sure whether 6 of the best would still have been given in many schools by 1983, I think most schools had drastically reduced cp or stopped it altogether by then.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A clip of this scene can be seen on Youtube. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to put the link on here. Question If I'm told I can later I will. Smile

My problem is that my soundcard has bust, thus I can't hear the sound effects!!.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep, its OK to link to youtube.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Chris, it took some time but I eventually found the clip.Very Happy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YnTwcwAEAo
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Private David's description took me straight back to the mid 50s and my time as an 11 - 13 yearold. My own experiences and feelings mirrored his precisely. Also, the reaction of the lad hearing the caning in the YouTube clip brings back the same feeling of dread, it's my turn next!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:47 pm    Post subject: Film clips on youtube Reply with quote

When I clicked on to the youtube site for the above clip I came across other clips including a group of boys standing in their pyjamas and dressing gowns outisde what was presumably a housemaster's study awaiting their caning. A boy with a stammer then went in for his six of the best. Classical music was playing in the background and the housemaster chalked his cane before giving the boy the six strokes. The scene then changed to the dormitory with an inspection of stripes going on. Does anyone know the name of this film and where it can be obtained? I would appreciate any info.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might be the Australian film called "Flirting". I understand that the practice of chalking the cane was considered to be rather "unsporting" by most English schoolmasters.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've not heard of chalking the cane before. What was the purpose?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BONNY wrote:
I've not heard of chalking the cane before. What was the purpose?


I never heard of it actually done but chalking the cane was said to leave a line on the trousers which assisted in the aim for the subsequent strokes.
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